who witnessed the FIP Cage of Pain event on December 15, 2006 saw the Black Market defeat the Heartbreak Express in one of the bloodiest
matches in wrestling history. Shawn Murphy and Joey Machete have been dealing out violence for the past few years in Florida, Puerto
Rico and are now branching out across America. Alan J. Wojcik got the two of them to sit down for this online interview. Read this interview and you want to
J. Wojcik: Let’s get some background information on each of you before we get to the good stuff. Where did you grow
up and what made you decide to become professional wrestlers?
M@cHetE: I was born in Amityville, New York and I grew up in West Palm Beach, FL. I saw wrestling on T.V. at the early age of 3 and I was hooked. I remember the day I came into my house from outside
and saw Dusty Rhodes cutting a promo. I watched it religiously from then on and my parents decided to take me to see it live
at the West Palm Beach Auditorium.....I went every Monday night from then
on. I saw all the greats.
Murphy: I was born in the outskirts of Buffalo, New York and raised there the early part of my life. We moved to Florida when I was 6 and have been here ever since. As far
as getting into wrestling goes…I was never a fan when I was a kid, if it didn’t have helmets and shoulder pads,
I didn’t watch it too much. When I got back from playing football in college, I kind of missed the constant collision
and a buddy of mine was training to become a wrestler and asked me to come out and watch him one day. I did and the rest,
as they say, is history.
Alan J. Wojcik: Did anyone in your family, wives and girlfriends at the time included, object
to your decisions to get in the ring?
Joey M@cHetE: I’ve always done what I want, but to answer your question, No. No one objected but even if they
would have, it was a passion of mine and you can’t stop that.
Murphy: Nope, my wife was actually fine with it. But she did begin to have some doubts when I came home from training one
day and kind of just laid down in the driveway for about 2 hours…I was so sore I didn’t want to move.
J. Wojcik: How long had each of you been wrestling when you created the team of DOW JONE$ and NA$DAQ,- The Market Crashers,
and why did you choose those names?
Murphy: We didn’t create anything, it was given to us. One of our trainers, Cliff Anderson had a very simple
view of things. He would look at you and if you looked like Rick Rude and your name was David, he’d say, “I’m
gonna call you David Rude…get some tights with hearts on it”. Well, he looked at me one day and said, “You
look like Big Bubba…I’m gonna call you Hoss…get a suit with a white shirt and suspenders”. So I did.
What a lot of people don’t know is that I’m NOT the original Dow Jone$ of the Market Crashers. One of our other
buddies was…and ironically his name was Sean too. Cliff put Sean and Joe together and called them something different
every time…”The Stock Market”, “The Stock Exchange”, “The Market Crashers”…eventually
I was put with them in this little stable and Sean ended up quitting, leaving Joe and I in the team. We figured out of the
3 names, “The Market Crashers” sounded the coolest and came up with the names NA$DAQ & DOW JONE$ ourselves…not
that it was that hard…but we added dollar signs as our “S”…anybody else who did it after us *cough*
Antonio Bank$…MVP *cough*…is infringing on our intellectual property.
M@cHetE: Once we got together it was like peanut butter and jelly, a little messy but damn good! What we lacked in finesse
we made up for in believability.
Alan J. Wojcik: You have wrestled all over Florida for several promotions including
the defunct IPW Hardcore, FIP, CCW, EWE, NWA Florida, MXPW, NWA Sunray and others. Give a few words about working for each
of those promotions and the people who run/ran them.
Joey M@cHetE: IPW was never a home base for
us, but we did come in from time to time and were also included on the reunion show, which was nice. We had some real great
matches in IPW with The Shane Twins and The New Heavenly Bodies. I wish we could have done more there because those guys are
a lot of fun. I always say wrestling is just what we do to get to the after party and everyone knows that IPW’s stood
behind that philosophy. As far as Ron Niemi goes.....I absolutely think he is the fucking craziest, most hilarious guy in
all of wrestling. If you ever get a chance to go and hang with Ron I suggest you drop everything and do so, something legendary
is bound to happen. We are looking forward to working with Ron again with the AWA World -1 Promotion in Georgia. We start in February.
Murphy: Joey and I knew we were in a different world when we walked into the IPW locker room for the first time and saw PLETHORA
of alcoholic beverages lining the back wall. And we’re not just talking beer, we’re talking whiskey, vodka, rum,
Tequila..etc. But IPW was fun and the guys that ran it were all about that…having fun, but at the same time, putting
on a quality product for the fans
Full Impact Pro
Joey M@cHetE: FIP is the best thing going in Florida right now. Sal (Hamaoui) and Gabe (Sapolsky) are great to work for;
we respect them both very much. They show that they are a class act time and time again. Our money is always right, they always
take good care of us and we have had a lot of great opportunities there. I am very proud of our accomplishments in FIP, namely
drawing their biggest house ever with the CAGE OF PAIN against The Heartbreak Express.
Murphy: FIP has been a delight to work for since day one. Sal has a vision and knows where he wants to take the company. With
the constant influx of national talent and a mix of some of the Florida boys, FIP has been great for the exposure of wrestling in Florida. And to be honest, with Gabe bookings, everything is so easy and makes so much sense; it’s almost PAINFUL
to watch wrestling on T.V.
Coastal Championship Wrestling
Shawn Murphy: CCW was one of our most favorite places
to work, I never laughed as much in the back of a show as I would there. A great crew of guys that are REALLY old school in
their wrestling mentality. It’s a shame things had to end there.
Joey M@cHetE: It was a great place to work, key word being was.
Elite Wrestling Entertainment
I am so sad that they aren’t running anymore. I mean I’m sure there will be a rebirth one day but they are on
permanent hiatus as of right now. Steve Madison and Buck Quartermaine are two of my favorite people in the business. I mean
I really love these two like family. They are both so talented and just all around cool guys. When the promotion was strong
it was a tremendous place to work with great psychology, they listened to suggestions and they planned their booking well.
And the talent that was on those shows was tremendous. It’s sad to me; I had a lot of fun there.
Murphy: Joey said it all; Steve and Buck are like family. They both know how to put on a quality show….though sometimes
their view would differ and that would be where the REAL fun would start. EWE would and COULD have been a success because
these guys were behind it.
Joey M@cHetE: We worked an IPW/NWA FL joint venture which was actually
our last match for IPW and our first and last match for NWA FL. We had a really great triple tag team match against The Shane’s and The Bodies.
Shawn: Murphy: We really didn’t work there. Well, like Joey said, we worked there the one time and it was basically
the IPW crew.
MAXIMUM XTREME PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING
Joey M@cHetE: MXPW is a lot of fun to work; they always treat
the shows and the wrestlers with the respect they deserve. There are always vets like Chaz, Ron Bass, Billy Gunn and Hack
Meyers to learn from. Casey (Thompson) and Andy (Vitale) really do a good job and I don’t ever have to worry about pay.
Andy and I have become good friends over the last year and Casey is like family to me. MXPW is a great place for guys to be,
a lot of knowledge, and a respectable production. Their shows are consistently good.
Shawn Murphy: MXPW is run by one of the guys that trained us, Casey Thompson, and it really feels like working for
your brother. We had some bumps in the road, like any family, but in the end Casey treats us good and it’s a place where
we feel VERY comfortable.
Joey M@cHetE: Jeesh, I could write a book here, but I’ll just say when
I booked the promotion under the ownership of Zilla it was a very fun time for me. We drew consistently man! The promotion
was a great learning experience for me as a booker and I really came into my own creatively there. Some of the storylines
were still being talked about when they tried to start up again years later so that made me proud. Zilla selling Sunray to
a mark was the beginning of the end. As far as commenting on Zilla as an owner, he was always a fan of ours so he treated
us great and paid us very well but he turned out to be a despicable human being.
Murphy: Man, to me, Sunray was fun, but a headache at the same time. Joe was booking for the company and as his partner, I
became defacto co-booker. Guys would come up to me and ask about things and I would have to either know the answer or find
the answer, and if anybody knows me, the less responsibility I have, the better. But we did really good things there, drawing
between 300-500 people. Every time, getting a guy fired, it was cool…plus, Sunray had some KILLER after parties.
J. Wojcik: At some point in the last couple of years, I think during your run in MXPW when it was on Sunshine Network, you
dropped NASDAQ and Dow Jones to become Murphy and Machete. Was that your decision or the promotions?
Shawn Murphy: It was all us. We were sick of being asked to cut promo’s dealing with the NYSE and falling markets
and stocks and shit like that…so we decided to come up with a gimmick that was more close to home and better suited
for us. We wanted to be able to let our real selves shine through in ring and on camera.
Alan J. Wojcik: Did working
for MXPW and being on Sunshine Network garner you any bookings you might not have received otherwise?
M@cHetE: Of course working on TV got us more bookings. Wrestling is a “What have you done for me lately” type
of business so anything to fuel the machine helps you to keep driving. It didn’t get us a contract obviously but it
did keep our wheels turning enabling us to keep working regularly and honing our craft.
Alan J. Wojcik: In the past
year or two you held tag titles in three different promotions (NWA Sunray, MXPW, CCW), talk about that amazing accomplishment.
M@cHetE: For some reason we have always been a championship team. We are very believable in the ring and we bring legitimacy
to the championship. We also take the position seriously and respect it; it comes with the old school mentality which was
instilled very early on in our training.
Shawn Murphy: To tell the truth, Alan…we’ve held more titles at one time before. I don’t think titles
are something we need or want...they just seem to come to us.
Alan J. Wojcik: Sometime during 2005-2006 you went from
being called the Market Crashers and became The Black Market. What led to the name change and did you feel an attitude change
under the name?
M@cHetE: Again the name change like I said earlier was just a comfort thing and once we were comfortable within our gimmick
we really turned up the dial and became a fucking wrecking ball.
Murphy: We were told that changing our name could mean
“career suicide”, but we decided that if we were going to do this (wrestle), that we wanted it to be us, and not
just gimmick that we had NO connection to other than history. Was there an attitude change? Yes, because we felt more comfortable
being “us” instead of characters, which I think has become apparent in the ring.
Alan J. Wojcik: I believe
the Puerto Rican fans know you as “America’s Violence Dealers.”
For fans that might have never seen a show from the island, describe the Puerto
Murphy: The best term to describe the atmosphere is “throwback”. When you step off the plane in San Juan, you feel like you might have stepped through a time machine back to the late 70’s or early
80’s. The wrestling is all old school and VIOLENT. There’s a lot of blood and a lot of apprehension as to what
can happen to you if you piss off the wrong people.
M@cHetE: Puerto Rico is not
only the last remaining territory in the world but also the most violent territory in the world. But it’s not just blood
and guts, it’s all about psychology and the fans are the most passionate fans alive. When they love you, they will break
bread with you, and when they hate you....they will stab you, throw spark plugs, urine, spit, batteries, whatever. It really
is something that we feed off of. We were the most hated two on that island and I relished in it. I mean I really, really
loved the danger and realness of it all. It was a rush. Puerto Rico is a big part of our wrestling persona and it changed
Shawn and I forever. I know lots of guys that hate it and vow to never go back and I saw a lot of guys pack up early and call
it a day, we just soaked in blood and the mud and the beer.....it was great!
Alan J. Wojcik: You guys were part of
the first ever Bruiser Brody Memorial Cup event. Talk about the atmosphere that weekend and how it changed your careers.
M@cHetE: It was a great weekend with the most violent crew ever......BLK/MRKT, Sandman, SABU, Abdullah The Butcher, Chicky
Starr, Carlos Colon etc.. I wish I could tell you more but we roomed next to Sandman and drank our weight in tequila. Seriously,
it was an honor to be apart of the first ever Brody Cup but very eerie at the same time, I mean we showered where Brody was
murdered. All in all a very good experience as long as you ignore the obvious.
Murphy: The atmosphere was WILD…there’s something very primal about five thousand people screaming for your blood.
I mean, I now know what the gladiators of ancient Rome felt like. As far as changing our careers, I think
it was just a natural step in our evolution. You take two legitimately tough guys…put them in a ring with weapons with
other legitimate tough guys with weapons; you get chaos, blood, and violence. And that just seemed to fit us PERFECTLY.
J. Wojcik: On that successful trip you worked for Carlos Colon and the WWC. How does he differ from other promoters and do
you expect another trip in the near future?
M@cHetE: Carlos is a friend and we go back periodically. When they need us, they call. But you gotta understand Puerto Rico is not for everybody and the territory has changed drastically over
the past 5 years. You have to be a cagey veteran to go and work the island or It, the people, the promoters, and everyone
in between will work you. There is always something there, always a hurdle always hoops you gotta jump through but I am proud
to say we always got our money there. You just gotta understand your surroundings and you gotta have street smarts, which
Murphy: The main difference in WWC is the use of separate locker rooms. The good guys have a locker room on one side of the
stadium/concha the bad guys have another. You don’t see, talk, or interact with your opponents till you see them in
the ring. You learn a lot about wrestling and yourself in a situation like that. As far as expecting another trip to PR, don’t
be surprised to see us pop up there in the very near future
Alan J. Wojcik: Instead of asking you about everyone you
guys have wrestled, I would like to ask you two specific tag teams, the first is Modern Day Theory (Scott Commodity and Preston
James.) In their interview (found on http://alanwojcik.com) they spoke highly of you guys. Your thoughts on this young team
if you please.
Joey M@cHetE: MDT is a young up and coming force in tag team wrestling. When we met them they didn’t have a clue.
They have grown in leaps and bounds over the last few years and I like to think that we had a part in that along with them
being students of the game and working very hard at their craft. Tag team wrestling isn’t for everyone and they have
proven that they can make a go at this. They have earned our respect and the respect of the wrestling community. But when
you interviewed them they said “on record” that they feel they owe us and Heartbreak Express a lot of money and
I’m still waiting to collect. I guess the checks in the mail.
Murphy: It’s funny, it seems like only yesterday when we were the young guys coming in…hungry and willing to do
anything. Now, we seem to be on the other side, watching MDT come in. Watching them mature in the ring is fun; we worked a
lot with them early in their careers, which was like throwing them to the lions, but Scotty and Preston stepped up and have
become a fun team to watch. It’s like a big brother watching his younger brother doing well…we’ll help them
if they need it, take help if we need it, and point out things they did well or didn’t do so well.
Alan J. Wojcik:
The other is the Heartbreak Express (“Superstar” Sean and “Fabulous” Phil Davis) who have shed enough
blood in the ring with you guys to be considered certifiably insane. Most recently you competed in a Cage of Pain (steel cage
wrapped in barb wire and weapons inside) for FIP. Is the HBX feud your Rock N Roll Express/Midnight Express and what is next
for the four of you?
M@cHetE: I got all the respect in the world for HBX because they earned it. We beat the ever living shit out of each other
this past year and I don’t think we are even close to done yet. The matches weren’t the prettiest but they weren’t
meant to be. They were full of emotion and we proved that the audience was emotionally involved by drawing the biggest house
in the history of FIP. These guys get it and it’s a pleasure working with them.
Murphy: HBX is exactly that…our R &R Express/Midnight Express. It’s been such a breath of fresh air to be
able to work with guys that have such a PASSION for the business as they do. I believe both teams are better because of this
feud and would like to thank them, FIP, and Gabe for doing it. As far as what’s next? I don’t know, but I look
forward to mixing it up in the ring with them any time.
Alan J. Wojcik: During this feud in FIP you have been managed
by the lovely Allison Danger. How did that pairing come to be and how does she differ from other managers/advisors you have
had in your careers.
Murphy: Allison fit’s with us because she has the same mentality as we do. She’s not the first female manager
we’ve had..but she’s the best. She knows the business and has the credentials to prove it.
M@cHetE: We’ve had a hell of a lot of fun working with Allison. The difference with Allison is she brings out a caring
side, a big brother side, a protective side if you will to our characters, which I think allows us to connect further with
Alan J. Wojcik: If the internet is correct Joey you wrestled the legend known as Jake “the Snake”
Roberts this past year and were bitten by his snake.
M@cHetE: Yes, I was bitten by Damian. So I got that going for me.
Alan J. Wojcik: In April 2006 you competed in and
won the Lords of the Ring tournament run by MXPW (defeating the Heartbreak Express, the Naturals of TNA Wrestling and the
Spanish Announce Team AKA SAT). What was your involvement in the creation of this event and talk about the diversity of the
M@cHetE: A few years back I was talking with Casey about doing a tag team tournament naturally because it’s in my best
interest. No seriously at the time no one did it and just like anything it was kicked around and then Casey and Andy made
it happen. As far as the diversity goes, there were strong elements of most every style represented and it was a lot of fun
to have that many tags in a building. Nobody realizes what a minority a tag team is and to have all those guys speaking our
language was a special thing. This years Lords should be an even bigger and more spectacular event and BLK/MRKT will be there
to present this year’s winner with the LOTR 2 trophy.
Shawn Murphy: As far as my involvement, I showed up and wrestled. The diversity was GREAT!! I just wish we could have
had a crack at some of the other teams as well…Low-Ki and Homicide would have been a hard hitting match, we’ve
mixed it up with the Briscoe’s a little in FIP and would love to see them across from us again…but I think it
was a nice mix of teams from the North and teams from the South. It was almost like a tag team Civil War, North vs. South…but
it was fun.
Alan J. Wojcik: In addition to several tag team title reigns each of you have held singles gold (Shawn
was the CCW Heavyweight champion while Joey was the CCW Southeastern champion). Do you ever see Black Market ending and becoming
Joey M@cHetE: Well everything comes to an end Alan, but as far as us both wrestling and parting ways, not a chance.
We are brothers and as long as we are wrestling it will be together on the same side. Unless someone pays us a lot of money
Murphy: If Black Market ends, so does Shawn Murphy’s career. I love wrestling, it’s fun and I get to hang out
with my best friend, but if Black Market ends, so does Shawn Murphy’s career.
Alan J. Wojcik: Like many wrestlers
each of you has a myspace account (info at end of interview) plus there is a Black Market group. Do you find it helps get
the team out to the fans better than a traditional website which you also have?
Murphy: Most definitely. I have “friends” from all over the world that have found out about Black Market in one
way or the other…MySpace included. And…we have some of the BEST fans any wrestler could ask for.
M@cHetE: Myspace is the evolution of the website. Our fans can get in touch with us there which is a good thing and a bad
thing. On one hand the old school side of me thinks that if we are too accessible then why do they need to pay to see us but
on the other hand I like to get a feel for what they think and what they like and sometimes they just want to talk to us and
show us pictures they took and they deserve that because they support us in every thing we do. As far a new fans go, myspace
is a pretty remarkable networking tool that really does get the word out better then the conventional web sites do.
J. Wojcik: This past year you guys have become popular for something other then wrestling, specifically t-shirts you designed.
What led to Black Market Industries and the creation of the “Make You Humble”, “Kayfabe” and “Violence”
t-shirts that seem to be everywhere?
Murphy: Those shirts are ALL Joey…well, maybe 98% Joey, 2% me…I seem to be a pretty good sounding board for him.
M@cHetE: They did take off locally and a bit around the country and a few overseas but I only made like 400 of them so I’m
not quitting my day job or anything. I need to get them out more and push them and make more designs but it was just a fun
thing to do and now that I did it I’m dragging my feet on doing it again but I got some other cool things in the works.
Keep checking www.blk-mrkt.net It’s the website that hasn’t been updated in a year, which is
also on my list.
Alan J. Wojcik: Past or present, if you could face one wrestler or tag team as your dream opponent
who would they be and why?
M@cHetE: I got a million of them, Arn (Anderson) and Tully (Blanchard), I’d bring a sponge to soak up the knowledge.
The Rockers to just beat their fucking brains in and hear the fans reaction to their comeback. Brody and Hanson in Japan to
say we lived through it. And of course Harley Race just because he’s fucking Harley.
Shawn Murphy: I have to go with Arn and Tully also. There isn’t a team out there that we respect more. They were
geniuses at tag team wresting, and if we could only be HALF as good as they were, I would consider that a success.
J. Wojcik: In the 2005 Pro Wrestling Illustrated 500 issue, you two were listed at 343 and 347. Many wrestlers I have interviewed
over the years don’t care about the acknowledgement, are you the same way?
Murphy: To be honest, yeah, it was kind of cool to see our names in the magazine…but it really didn’t mean anything.
Like all of wrestling, a lot of publicity is about who you know and who is pulling for you. We’ve seem to have a problem
with that…most people have liked us over the years, but we were never anybody’s “boys”. We’ve
always had to get by on our own steam, which is both gratifying AND frustrating at the same time.
M@cHetE: It really doesn’t matter to me one way or another.
Alan J. Wojcik: You have done backstage and security
work for TNA wrestling, any chance the Black Market will ever grace the six sided ring?
Murphy: It would be nice to work for a company that’s right in our backyard AND has national exposure. But I guess we’re
not what they’re looking for.
M@cHetE: They don’t have a place for wrestlers with psychology. They only want all the time filled with meaningless
action. Their show makes my head hurt. We were trained in a way where everything means something and a guy rising to his feet
after getting the shit kicked out of him means more than a ka-blew-ey driver off the top rope to the floor. I think they lack
the emotional connection with the audience which is so important. TNA is more like a hot dogging motor cross race (X DIVISION
= Xtreme Sports) then it is a wrestling product. To me wrestling is more of a performance art then it is Xtreme sports. But
hey opinions are like assholes right?
Alan J. Wojcik: In closing what do you hope the future holds for Black Market
as a unit and as individuals?
M@cHetE: We have our sights set on Japan and we always are students of the game trying to
improve our “work”.
Murphy: I hope the future holds nothing but the best for BOTH of us.
to Joey and Shawn for doing this interview. You can see them February 2-3rd working for Full Impact Pro, www.fullimpactpro.com . Here are the other promotions mentioned www.mxpw.net www.coastalchampionshipwrestling.com and www.awaworld1south.com
www.blk-mrkt.net is their home online where you can find the shirts Joey talked about. As mentioned
The Black Market have Myspace pages. Shawn’s is: www.myspace.com/shawnmurphyslaw Joey’s www.myspace.com/joeymachete . The merchandise can also be found at www.myspace.com/blkmrktind Information on Allison Danger can be found at www.myspace.com/allisondanger